Building a Career and Multiple Brands with The Real Brimstone

You hear about serial entrepreneurs. They’re cute right. But most go back to the same well. yet successful business people come in all shapes and sizes and every walk of life. Building a business and multiple brands as a creative entrepreneur takes an entirely different skill set. Today we explore the multi-decade and multiple revenue streams behind with the man who created the persona and all that followed. Entertained is a business and learn how he has gone from the wrestling ring, to TV, Publishing, and more.

https://www.therealbrimstone.com/

Brimstone has had a successful and rewarding career spanning well over four decades; participating in numerous entertainment fields boasting a list of titles including a professional wrestler, radio host/professional podcaster, actor, voice actor, author, musician, philanthropist, food critic, horror model, and comic book/animated/children’s book/video game hero. He’s been called a Renaissance man by many, but more accurately described as a well-seasoned entertainer and serial entertainment entrepreneur.

Tim Kubiak 0:04
We just had this conversation before we hit record and that is entrepreneurs come in every shape, size and flavor you can imagine. And today, we are going to have an amazing conversation with Britain stuff. He’s in the hot sauce business. He’s done wrestling. He’s been an actor, a voice actor, worked in all sorts of media, and has his hands and a little bit of everything. So we’re going to talk some fun stories. We’re going to talk about his own entrepreneurial journey and how yours doesn’t have to look like somebody that went to an Ivy League school. So grim. Welcome to the show, man. Thanks for being here. Tim. Finally,

The Real Brimstone 0:37
brimstone has made it to the bow ties and business podcast. Super stoked, super excited. Listen, man, I said, I got to get up nice and early. Come hang out with my brother Tim, and make some some magic happen on this podcast. So let’s do it. Let’s have some fun. I’m ready.

Tim Kubiak 0:52
You ready? I’m ready. Where’d you get started?

The Real Brimstone 0:55
Where did I get started? Oh my God in now. That’s a good question is it did I get started in entertainment or in business in general?

Tim Kubiak 1:02
either, right. I started like, I started my sales career hustling Gamble’s and that’s why.

The Real Brimstone 1:10
There you go. So I started my my career in general in entertainment. Believe it or not, at age five, I started on Sesame Street and Romper Room, I was a child actor. Then Funny enough, I actually found recently, because my mother passed away. That wasn’t that’s not the funny part. But she, she passed away about three years ago, we were finally selling the house and I had to kind of make sure everything was outside. As we were cleaning, I found not only my children’s television workshop, contract, but I also found contracts with agents. I had multiple agents at five and six. And I had no idea I was probably better, better connected than that I am done. I’m just kidding. But, you know, at the end of the day, it was it was, it was crazy. Because, you know, I was I was very young, obviously, you know, and I remember very bare minimal things, certain things from Sesame Street, like very little from Romper Room. I remember being like, at the agencies, I remember doing GM, like reads for rice krispie treats. Rice Krispies, in general, I’m sorry, a one steak sauce and things like that. So that was my earliest, you know, foray into the business world, because entertainment is business. So you know, so at the end of the day, and I, you know, I will put this out there, you know, entertainers or entrepreneurs and entrepreneurs should be entertaining, you know, I mean, it’s all in one on the same, you know, if you’re going to get up and you can get in front of people in the boardroom, you need to be entertaining, you know, whether it’s, you know, selling something brand new, that you’ve come up with, or, you know, working towards that, that bonus with the boss, you need to be entertaining, you need to be on it, you know, so, you know, at the end of the day, you know, going backwards, I learned at a very early age that you kind of have to be on, you know, and that was my first foray into the entertainment world. Hope that answers your question.

Tim Kubiak 2:59
It does. And frankly, it was your first foray. And this is where you joked about being connected at an early age. But you already had somebody building your network. Really?

The Real Brimstone 3:07
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What’s funny, though, is I didn’t know, I didn’t know I was I was represented until literally about a month ago. And when I was younger, you know, obviously, I haven’t been in years, from what those people I have my other eight my agents that I have now. But I would have been great if I would have kept the same people all throughout that timeline. But my parents, you know, we’re going through a divorce, you know, and then there were issues there. So that kind of cut my acting short as a as a child actor. Because, you know, if you’re not, if you’re in a not necessarily an amicable divorce situation, you know, there are things that go on and people get, you know, heinous my weekend, and that’s my day, or blah, blah, blah, and, you know, and I’m doing this, I’m doing that, so that I was the one that that kind of took the hit there. But, um, it’s okay, you know, at least I had the taste, that taste then brought me, you know, into the, you know, the next round of interests that I had, you know, where I was a huge comic book care of comic book nerd, like, I, I was a little kid and I loved comics, my x men comics, my, you know, my GI Joe comics, you know, like, back in the day, you just, you know, you’re reading Batman and Superman. And so that was that was my thing. And I wanted to be a famous artist. That’s what that was my thing. Let’s I want to be a famous artist. Now, I could draw, but I didn’t stick to the art thing. But I did obviously come full circle. And I am a comic book character. I own a publishing company, and I am the celebrity spokesperson for the Stan Lee foundation. And Stan was a good friend of mine and obviously passed a couple years back, but um, you know, at the end of the day, that all came full circle. My first true love though, was music. I found music and you know, in elementary school, you know, it was a

you know, after they teach you the recorder, then you have to take the violin and then they said oh Okay, well now you can take band what was what do you want? What do you want to play, I was like drums, I want to do the drums, drums, percussion I was I was all about that. And that was when I decided I want to be a rock star, whether that’s in music, whether that’s in entertainment in general, I want to be a rock star I want to play I want to entertain, you know, and that’s, that’s where I learned a lot of stuff. You know, guerilla marketing, you know what I mean? And you name it, I’ve done it I micro learning how to use a microfiche in the, in the library to figure out you know, what bars and clubs I could play in different areas. And you know, looking at it was, it was it, we didn’t have AOL, then even, you know, I mean, we don’t have computers, except for a Commodore 64, which, you know, we didn’t have access to anything, it was like, the biggest thing you got to do is play with Sam on there, you know, if you remember, Sam is like, I am a computer, you know, remember that? I do. So, you know, that was my first really, you know, like music. I was like, This is what I want to do. I went to college for it. I was a touring musician. I had endorsements, I was very locked into the industry. But at the same time, I was also at that point, working a nine to five. And, you know, so if you’re familiar with New York, or the the New York scene in terms of publications, I was working for many of the smaller music publications, as well as doing the bigger ones, I worked for the village voices, sister paper, the long the Long Island voice. That was a pet project of Beth Stern, Andrea, sternum, sorry, who would you call it? Who was the owner, I think at the time, I don’t know if Sterling publishing still owns it, but I, the the owner at the time, his daughter was her pet project. And, you know, they wanted somebody who was very intertwined with the business, you know, and I mean, and, you know, for the music and clubs, and yada yada yada. And, you know, I was all of that and a bag of chips. Because I came with a sales background, I came with a, you know, any mean, you know, the the would call the history in the in the music industry at that point, you know, because I was obviously getting older, and I’m skipping a lot, but what do you call it? You know, and the fact was, is that, you know, it was easy, because I’ve already built the relationships. Another takeaway for your listeners, you know, who are looking to do anything in entertainment, business, entertainment business, in general entrepreneurship, relationships are 90% of the game, you know what I mean? It really is 90% of the game, I might even go a little bit further, but you have to have a good product as well. But relationships are everything. It’s it’s not about what you know, all the time. It’s about who you know, and how you can get to that, that final deal or that final, you know, sale, you can finally put your stuff on the shelf, or get your product out there or get in front of the right people. That’s what it’s all about. So I got that deal. And then when you call it that kind of got me then into the wrestling thing, but that’s another story altogether. I also worked with Joe for Newsday, you familiar with Newsday times mirror, you know, so I was high up in sales and Newsday. But at that time, that was already a little bit later on, I was already a touring wrestler, you know, I mean, so it was, I’ve always kind of balanced both, until I said, I’m done working for anybody else, I’m gonna just do me. And my brand was big enough, my, my, my body of work was big enough, and I was able to kind of just take it and say, Alright, here we go, I’m jumping off the ledge, and hopefully I’m gonna grow some wings. And and I did. And that was it. No, of course, you know, I’ve had plenty of failures over the way, but I wear them as badges of honor. A lot of people like to sit and Heckle or make fun of or joke or you didn’t do this, and he’s able to do that, or you felt this, I wear this badge of honor, because I use failure. those seeds are what’s used to take and plant those seeds of failure, learn learn from the failure, and then you take 10 steps forward, you know, and you learn from your mistakes. So I’ve succeeded from those failures. And so I, you know, like, I don’t consider failure as like a bad thing. I consider it like, a positive thing. It’s like, oh, that wasn’t so good. I need to kind of do this, do that adjust. I’ve learned from it. That’s not gonna happen again. How can we take this and move it forward? And then I take 10 steps forward. So again, I jumped around a little bit, but I hope I’m answering your questions.

Tim Kubiak 9:25
You did. So I’m actually going to go back because you talked about Commodore 64 guerilla marketing. Nobody got a hard sales call. So they booked in new york new jersey club for a band. Uh huh. No, right. No, yeah. There’s a bunch of people out there listening going oh, I don’t want to call this guy might not be nice week. Book gigs, right?

The Real Brimstone 9:46
Look, some gigs get into the Wrestling World. Let me see what happens when you call it you know, like promoters. promoters are tough cookies and promoters. Normally, they don’t necessarily care. You know, they most of the time. They don’t care about you. They just care about what gonna, you know, put money in their pocket? Who’s putting asses in seats? I’m sorry, I didn’t, I didn’t say bad. Oh, you’re good man. You know, whoever’s putting bottoms in seats? You know, what do you call it? That’s what promoters want. They want to see, alright, how am I making money tonight now, so if, you know this guy and this guy are both gonna come into work, and this guy is gonna work or in the man thing, these guys are playing, these guys are playing, you know, and and I know that people want to come and see them. I know I’m putting butts in the seats, and I’m making you know, X amount of money off each person. If there’s drinking involved, I know each person is probably going to have two or three drinks, yada, yada, yada. And that’s how they decide who’s coming in and who’s not. So if you don’t have a background, if you don’t have, you know, your your everything in order, you know, it’s not gonna happen. And then how do you get those reruns and seats, you have to know how to grill a market, you have to be out there, you have to, you know, back in the day, when we do, you know, we would take fliers and put them up in every single place you could possibly put them whether it’s in music stores, or, you know, Tower Records back in the day, remember that, and, you know, the local bodega was, you know, I mean, doesn’t matter, I would put my flyers everywhere. Up until recently, I still had people flyering for me, I wouldn’t do the firing myself at this point. You know, but what do you I’ve had people do flyers for me, simply because, you know, hey, it still works, it still works. You know. So don’t don’t sleep on the easy simple things, you know what I mean? Because they have a lot of effect. You know, somebody can sit and they can take flyers, and at a very minimal cost to print out, you know, 1000 flyers, and you know, that that are like done in fours, you chop them up. So now you have 4000 pieces, and you go and you put them out there, put them on cars, you know what it’s, it’s a numbers game, the more you put out, you know what I mean, the more of a percentage you’re going to get out of it. So out of, you know, out of 4000 pieces that go out, maybe you’ll get, you know, five or 600 that’ll actually be interested in looking at it. And then after that five, or 600, maybe about two or 300 might be like, Oh, this is for me, and then maybe about 100 to 150 will actually follow through. So you know, it’s about being on it and having you know, it’s a numbers game people. So I hope that that’s a good takeaway from that.

Tim Kubiak 12:15
That’s a great takeaway in the modern comparison, is it? You know, social media, media, social media? Yep. Why are you doing it, and by the way, I did my own flyering back in the day, right, and walked around and posted bills, where they had the post no bills on and all that kind of good stuff. Because that’s it. That’s how you get the word out. And you wanted people to walk through. And yeah,

The Real Brimstone 12:38
and I’m in New York. I mean, I’m Long Island, you know, in New York City, as you know, you know what I mean? New York City, LA, some of those are some of the hardest places, you know, get your foot in the door. So you know, and there, it’s so hard to promote, because even though there’s stuff everywhere, you know, you got to you’ve got to kind of keep up with the Joneses, or just put everything in and just do it, you know, like people are spending, like they’re exuding money in Manhattan and LA, you know. So like, how do you keep up with that, you know, you have to be as many places as humanly possible. And it’s still like that to this day. But just like you said, the post, though, bills. Yeah, they went up anyway. Like, I don’t know what happened. I didn’t want me. It’s not honest people, you shouldn’t be doing that. Anyway.

Unknown Speaker 13:24
So that’s actually kind of insightful because you’ve built so many products and so much merchandising. And I think that background maybe laid that framework.

The Real Brimstone 13:32
Yeah, absolutely. Well, you know, my first my first foray, it’s a business. In the business world where I did my own entrepreneurial adventure, I was about 18 1718, more or less, you know, more or less 18 side was started talking when I was 17. happened when I was about 18. It was I don’t know if you necessarily want to talk about it, because it was not it wasn’t the adult industry. But it was like a product that was sold in like adult shops and Spencers and things like that. That’s up to you. And that’s

Tim Kubiak 14:05
good. Hey, man. It’s good.

The Real Brimstone 14:08
It’s not it’s really not dirty. It was it was funny. It’s It was a you know, a joke gag, a gag product. So this is this is what it was my first band when he called my first real band, was it from my private school because I went to I went to Union to high school here on the island. And then when he called my mother got worried going into middle school, because when it goes, it’s not safe, fair, it’s not safe. And I’m like mom, they’re all my friends that I’m doing things you probably shouldn’t know about anyway. And she but she put me into the private school. So it was funny because I was in an all black area. I was the only white kid or one of the only white kids and then I went to you know, an all white Jewish school because I’m Jewish as well. And it was complete culture shock for me going to the old white Jewish school. But that was that was good for my everything I did as well because I was all hip hop going in and out. Then when I went there, I, you know, I learned to love, you know, rock and metal and all that jazz. And now I just love horrible things music. That being said, my first band was the rock band. And it was what do you call it? We call the private school because we met in private school. Yeah, so the guitarist and I, you know, he’s one of my, my, my, my best friend’s at the time. And, you know, he was dating this girl and the girl’s father was a doctor and the doctor, you know, he was working for him on the side, I guess he was, the father was throwing them some hours to do some stuff and some couple of bucks here and there. I mean, you know, he wanted to be able to take his daughter out to nice places, I don’t blame them. Little did he know that he was going in, you know, in he was handling all this stuff him overseas. And he wanted to get like, you know, bulk gloves and so forth. So he found the on the rubber gloves. It’s in Malaysia and, and he goes, as well, at the time, you know, he goes, I can’t I can’t believe it. He goes, I they have condoms in Malaysia that are like incredible. and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they’re really, really cheap. I’m like, hold on a minute. Get out of here. So we you can get the rubber gloves, but you could also get condoms. He’s like, yeah, and a bunch of other things. I’m like, Really? So it’s like, do you think that he’d be okay with us? Using this contact? Yeah, I got the contact. He was fine with it. So I’m like, Alright, why don’t we do this, and I came up with the idea. So let’s put together a gag gift, a gag gag type of gift product. Which which we then named Dr. Packer heads, let’s play doctor sex kit. And and what do you call it? In each kit? We would put a pair of gloves. A What do you call it a three condoms, which could actually be used? And what do you call it, and then a little of doctor’s mask. And then Remember, I told you I like to draw. So I drew up a little instruction manual. And we put like a little little pink shredding paper in there and then put together this little package. But the labels on I wound up taking, what do you call it, I wound up taking, figuring out where I could go and get the stuff shrink wrapped. There was, you know, a disability center with a bunch of kids who are down syndrome and my uncle’s Down syndrome. I said, let’s give the money to them. So we want to bring these things there. They were like, We just won’t show them the labels. The labels weren’t bad, they weren’t bad. They just you know, they were just like, we just this what they don’t need to know what it is. And they shrunk shoot, they did the shrink wrapping. And I went door to door to all the adult stores and and I was selling them by the by the dozens. And then I went I was like well, you know, at the time there was not only Spencer’s, but there was world imports and the mall. So I went into I went into the mall, and I figured out Alright, well, who do I need to speak was for sponsors and I got corporate and sponsors. And then I said when I got a little I had to deal with for World imports. And I got I got both of them. And then they were buying them by the the the the 20s. You know, I mean? Like 20 I’m sorry, by the by the dozens, what do you call the 100? Here, 50 there, you know, 300 there because people were buying them for all the bachelorette parties. Like all the men weren’t buying them. The women were buying them, we’re buying them. So we were at 18 we had this little you know, business going, that was making really good money. Because our profit was, you know, our profit was high. You’re talking about the minimal minimal cost, minimum cost for the to make the entire package was like two bucks. You know what I mean? It was like a $2 package that we’re selling for six or seven bucks. And then they’re retailing for 10 you know, any mean? Like it was insane? And also our markup was was ridiculous. And yeah, you know, but then, you know, let me tell you guys, you know, just like they say, you never use your own product you shouldn’t be getting you know, we went through those condoms as kids like crazy. Bye

bye, but it’s good that we did. And the only reason why we didn’t continue that that business was because my my friend had gone he broke up with the girl which still wasn’t an issue when he called but he wound up going to Penn State so he left and rather than having his parents rather than giving me all the you know the stuff to continue doing the products they didn’t think about and they just threw it all out. I was just like, What the hell are you kidding me and but that was that and and you know, he got involved in his stuff and I was already involved in other stuff. So it was what it was but that was my first actual business. Very soon you got into mainstream retail

Tim Kubiak 19:40
with your first business. That’s

The Real Brimstone 19:42
crazy. It was not me. You know, we did um, I mean, we did you pee in teenagers and getting in a lot of like 30,000 condoms. You got to imagine what you know your two young males are going well. There’s a lot we could do with this. Especially since When I was in music, you know, I mean, I was like, Alright, you know, but anyways, Yeah, that’d be disgusting. Um, you know, so that was the, that was my first real foray into entrepreneurship. And, you know, it was very, very successful. You know, and I, and I, and I, I learned a lot from that, you know, I mean, that I learned a lot from music, and then, you know, getting taking that knowledge, and bringing that into, you know, the business world, you know, and doing sales, marketing and advertising for multiple different companies. You know, in terms of, and mind you, I didn’t get fired from those companies, the only reason why I was I moved to the next company is because they did buyouts, they, I was, I was I was a commodity. So they would, I would, they would be like, hey, I want to, I’ll buy you out of the contract, or I will, I will get you out, here’s money that I will give you. And I had so many I had so many beautiful, beautiful offers back when wish I had them down. I’m just kidding. Um, but but here’s the thing is like, as much as as much as I appreciated the money that I was making, I wasn’t whole, I wasn’t 100% because I was working for somebody else. And, and I couldn’t, I couldn’t, you know, I could never fathom, it’s like, Alright, well, you know, I’m putting in, you know, 200% of the effort, and I’m only making 10% of the actual, you know, any mean, new result. And, and for me, that wasn’t good enough. And eventually, you know, I, you know, again, with the wrestling and I was touring, I was doing everything with wrestling, while working at Newsday, and doing other stuff. And, and at the end of the day, I said, you know, what, I need to I need to take a break from something. And, you know, at the time, I was going through a divorce with my ex, and, and I said, you know, I’m going to take a break. And I took a step back from the entertainment world for a hot minute. And what I did was I wound up working with, with a company, and I got involved with a company that did very big job fairs. And I helped to build out a publication called the employment journal. So that was my baby, I did that. And that gave me the full knowledge of how to, you know, you know, not not just because I worked in publishing prior, but you know, that part was more of the advertising marketing, on this, this end of the spectrum, I actually published, you know, what I mean, and I was the publisher, and I was, you know, building out that, that brand and that business, so, um, you know, I did a lot with that until I was like, you know, what, even though I’m partnering with these people, and I’m making good money here, one, I don’t want to do that. I don’t want to work with anybody else, I don’t meaning underneath somebody else’s thumb. And I, at that moment, I started doing red carpets. Again, in Manhattan, I started doing everything I needed to do to kind of get back into the public guy. And, and, you know, make sure that people knew, hey, I’m back, I’m here, you know, and it was only about a year and a half that I that I took out of out of the public eye in general, but it was it was, you know, an entertainment, you take a day off and people are going What’s going on? Where are you? What are they forget about you, you know. So it’s, it’s all about continuing and keeping up with the Joneses and being in front of people. But I started doing that, and the people that I was dealing with the for the publication and the career fairs and all that jazz. You know, I was having an issue, and I was like, You know what? I’m done. And that from that day forward, I never, I never worked for somebody else. Again, I’ve always built everything for my own business, my own brand. And I’ve never been freer. I’ve never been freer, you know?

Tim Kubiak 23:44
Yeah. I love the corporate life. And basically, I refer to myself as a mercenary now. So I take contracts and go in and do the things I used to do, but I do them on my terms. Yeah, absolutely. 100 said, yeah. So you talk about stepping away for a minute, everyone thinks you’re going. You’ve got at least five or six projects going on. At any time. It seems like in modern times, everybody would say it’s a side hustle into this to multiple income streams. You know, back Back in the day, it was diversification. So talk about how you got into a couple of those different things. Obviously, you had the the media background. So some of that’s, you know, you got some stuff I know you can’t talk about coming up, but you still got that going on. You got the radio show. Right? You’ve got the comic book. Yep, you get the hot sauce.

The Real Brimstone 24:36
I’ve got a little bit of everything going on. I’m the guy that likes to have my hand in a bunch of different cookie jars. It’s funny that you know, I didn’t give the name to myself, but a bunch of people have coined the phrase, you know, entertainment entrepreneur, or renaissance man for me, and, you know, I was like, that’s very interesting, and I appreciate that. It’s humbling, you know, but it’s true. I understand why they why they done to me that and You know, and and each different thing that I’ve done and that I do all interconnect with each other, and people on the outside looking in don’t realize that, but there is an actual method to my madness. So yeah, I’m the kind of guy that wants to do anything that that I’ve dreamed up. So if it’s something that I want to accomplish, I’m going to do it either I’m going to do it big, I’m going to do it with somebody, you know, who’s established or I’m going to make it happen myself. So you know, when you’re talking about in a going backwards, you know, the wrestling industry, you know, wrestling, I really built and branded myself in progress. That’s where the brimstone name comes from, still brimstone now, but when I got into it, I said, You know, I was sick of being in a five way marriage with the band as a form of musician, you understand that? Yeah, I do think it could be in a five way marriage with a band. Even though I miss playing a lot, I never intended to give up playing. It’s just that I don’t have time at this point. But you know, getting into pro wrestling. You know, I built my brand, I built the person I built the name. And I knew that going in because of the band, you know, the knowledge from the band, you know, you got to build something memorable, marketable? brandable you know what I mean? What can I do brimstone was the name from suppose the way I went. And, you know, I just full steam ahead. So I was one of the guys that had a ton of different what they call gimmick, you know, in pro wrestling, which means merchandise, you know, what I mean? and so forth. I had all anything you could think of at my table. So I had shirts, I had trading cards I had, what do you call it? You know, autographs I had, you know, my eight by 10s. I had you name it, I had it, then you know what I mean? And, you know, and people would come and they would look at me and your side. I other guys would be side eyeing me, you know? And I’m like, you know, well, how else do you expect to make money? This is called the wrestling business. It’s a business for a reason. You know what I mean? You’re not gonna make all your money in the ring. The big money that you make is all from March. You know, if you don’t sell your merch, you know what I mean? Then what’s the point? You you happy making $50 wrestling for 10 minutes? And that’s it? You know what I mean? No, I, you know, I want to go in. And I didn’t make that money. I made a lot more than that. But I’m just saying like, yeah, love the boys, they don’t understand or they don’t, they don’t consider it a business. When I get into anything. I don’t care what it is. It could be tying my shoe. It’s a business. You know what I mean? And I consider it a business. It’s the first thing is DBA. If it goes further than that, it’s Incorporated. If it goes for, you know what I’m saying? And it’s Boom, boom, boom, I cookie cutter in terms of that, but but everybody should know that entertainment. entrepreneurial entertainment, certainly. And entrepreneurs in general, especially creative side entrepreneurs. There’s no cookie cutter. Looking at it. Nothing’s cookie cutter. Which is funny, because you familiar with score? Yeah, absolutely. So I did mentoring for score. And I did it because when I was I was annoyed. I was annoyed. I you know, here I am, you know, celebrity persona coming in to sit and mentor people because I was pissed off that they didn’t have creative creator. Friendly mentors, you know what I mean? So Pinterest creatives, they have no creatives, you know what I mean? So, basically, it’s not cookie cutter, you can’t have you can’t mentor somebody on on on a creative business. If you’re doing if you’re like us, no, no knocks on doctors or, or accountants or lawyers or you know it, no, but you can’t say that. I’m an accountant. And this is the way I run my business. And this, you should be running your business like this as well. This doesn’t feasible, this doesn’t make sense about, you can’t look at it like that you have to, you know, go with the ebb and flow of the creativity. And when I did that, I actually wound up getting a tremendous influx of people looking for me to mentor them. And I wound up helping a few 100 people kind of get themselves where they needed to be. And the positive is because it wasn’t even difficult that the amount of time was difficult, but it wasn’t difficult to help them. They just had to look at it from a different angle. And, you know, so I was able to kind of talk people through it as to where the and they and very six at some of them are very successful now. And they they turned around and they’re like, you know what, these people some of these mentors, were telling me I should just quit fold not do it, don’t do it, because it’s not gonna work. And now I’m making, you know, six figures, like I’ve get thank yous all the time, you know, um, Now that being said, score is also an amazing resource for people that are looking to to learn certain things, business plans, yada, yada, yada. This is all good, good information. But if you’re a creative business, understand you should have a mentor who’s doing creative, creative type business. Going back to me, and I’m sorry, I could talk a lot as you go, man, you go, I doubt Tim. What do you call it? So in terms of

The wrestling business, you know, when it was time for me to kind of, you know, roll out of the wrestling industry and kind of do my own thing outside of the wrestling industry. I was like, Okay, well, what am I going to do? I built this, this business, I built this brand. What’s the next natural step? I’m always thinking, What’s the next natural progression to what I’m doing? And you’ve got this this wrestler, and what are wrestlers, they’re larger than life. They’re superheroes. I figured, well, I’ve always wanted to do comic books, guess what we’re gonna do, we’re gonna do a comic book. And I took that, that that comic book and I turned it, brimstone on board rounds based on the comic based on the wrestler, nothing to do with wrestling, but the character was fleshed out. I know, it was a gimmick guy. So the character was fleshed out, I knew who I was, and what I was doing, took that flipped it into the comic book with one of my buddies, who was a writer and also in the wrestling industry. And, you know, we built the comic book. And then I said, Okay, I’m gonna go pitch it to some of the big companies. And I had contacts at Marvel and DC and an image and all this, and I sent the stuff out crickets, for some of them, which is been, you know, look, again, you have to have thick skin to get to be in this industry, but crickets from from some, some I got, you know, sorry, not at this time, or blah, blah, blah, I’m like, Okay, no problem. I’m gonna do it myself. So I took it, I found I, you know, I knew how to do publishing. So I wound up going I checked out my my options in terms of printing and yada yada yada, you know how that goes and figure it all of it out figured out what what kind of distribution I need to work on. And I said, You know what, I’m gonna I’m gonna take over this this down. So I put out brim some of the board rounds, we launched in borders books. We were the only independently owned and operated comic and borders, books launching there especially, we were there next to the big boys, Marvel, DC image Dark Horse, and what do you call it, and I launched there, when borders, books started closing down, I pulled from borders, and then I relaunched in Barnes and Noble and beat all across the country. So we had more distribution than all the comic book shops that were all around the country. So you know, and and, you know, there was diamond distribution, which was really cool. They’re the ones that handle the comic shops, everything that they kept screwing up, every single time I ran through them, I said, I’m pulling from you now you can only get it from Barnes and Noble or for me to at a convention, which drove people more to come and see me at conventions. So that’s how I built my convention platform. That’s also how I built the comic book. And did I have the money to go in with a comic book and spend a ton of money right off the bat? No, I started small I did the conventions you know, the smaller cons just and and did a you know a pre sell weed it was before Kickstarter, I sold a pre sold like 1000 bucks, you know any mean? And I sold them for $10 apiece, signed. So do the math and I took that then used it to then reprint and then you know, utilize some money to get into the what you call into Barnes and Noble. Once I got into Barnes and Noble, I then sold advertising inside the comics. You see what I’m saying? And that floated the boat which built how in comics now, how in comics, Inc. Does that that point it was just the DBA. Okay, Allen comics encountered detainment group happened by accident. Now, if you want me to tell you that story, I can tell you the story. It’s up to you.

Tim Kubiak 33:26
Yeah, go for it.

The Real Brimstone 33:27
So I was like I said, I started doing these conventions again. And, you know, I’m promoting the product. And people know me from wrestling. They knew me from music, you know, and Funny enough, some people that followed me for a long time, knew of me from Sesame Street. And you know, and had been coming to see me for that too, which is weird, because I was a kid. So that’s a little creepy. But anyway, um, a week ago, I was at a con in Manhattan, and I was they put me in, we were in the celebrity area was not the normal convention where, you know, it was like all in open space. This was like in some kind of a hotel where they had like, convention ish rooms. They were bigger rooms, but they were, you know, they were all so everything was separated. Yeah, the celebrity room. There was no, there was maybe only 10 of us in there, and maybe a little less. But I was right next to some old friends of mine, Peter and Angie Mayhew. And for those who don’t know who Peter Mayhew is, that’s Chewbacca from Star Wars. So. So I was next to Pete nanji. And Wade senton that we were catching up. And you know, and Peter’s doing his thing, and I’m having a conversation with Angie. And you know, Angie looks at me, she goes, she goes brim I love I love the comics. And at the time, I I also watched the kids but the first of the kids books as well, a crash bat from the border pops, what do you call it? So so the and the reason why I did that is so that the adults and the kids could vibe on the same characters. So you know, you know and and, you know that again, that’s, that can take me in a whole different direction, but um, So Pete Beaton, and you were there, Pete was signing, and Angie says she goes, you know, we just had an issue with a, with a publishing company and a small publishing house, who, you know, they really, they weren’t doing what we needed them to do. And, you know, I really love what you’re doing with your stuff. And it all looks great. Do you think that you might be interested in publishing? Peters books? And I’m like, Well, I haven’t thought of it. But you know, if you want me to do it, and you’re trusting in me, sure, I’ll do it for you. How in comics, Inc, was born. So when he called I was like, I’m gonna have to incorporate and, you know, right after that, as soon as word got out, that that we were working on that a bunch of friends of mine from Disney, and Nickelodeon, and so forth. All had projects that they were holding under wraps that they weren’t able to, do you know, anything with, and they were like, Hey, you know, brim Do you think you’d be interested in publishing, you know, our books, and I did a, I did a creator owned company. So basically, everybody owned their own IPS. I didn’t I wanted nothing to do with that. But I put out you know, I would publish their, their, their books, I’d publish their comics, I’d take a small piece. And in the comic side, you know, we would sell advertising into it, you know, but but that being said, we were the only I could talk about it. Now, I’m not under NDA, but um, what do you call it? We’re the only company that had the rights from Lucasfilm, I have a a would call it a letter signed from from Lucasfilm. We were the only company allowed to utilize the Chewbacca character without paying them residuals. Which was insane because it was Peter. Peter, again, you know, rest the peace and love, love them to death we call the Angie is a doll has his wife. But you know, yeah, it is what it is this, this, He even went to the, to the lengths, they, they, when they when they went with us, one of the books, they actually had me drawn into one of the books, which was, which was very sweet. They didn’t have to do that. But they did it and very good people. I you know, this is these these people like family, you know, I’ve known people for many, many years. And, you know, when you’re in the industry, and you don’t necessarily get to see people all the time, but it doesn’t mean that you know, you don’t love them like they were family.

Tim Kubiak 37:16
Right? No, absolutely. So you made an interesting point there on a creator led company. Yeah. And I pick on tech companies all the time. And I pick on venture capital, because I think they rob people of their innovations, right. And I’m in funding and business risk, and we can talk about that for days. But at the end of the day, if you create it, you should end up with more than 5% of it. Exactly. Right. Exactly. That that was a really both generous, but authentic approach, I think in what you did, because so many people would have just tried to take so much more.

The Real Brimstone 37:53
But you know, what’s really crazy and and as that is true, a lot of creators took advantage of that as well. You know what I mean? And unfortunately, and rather than, rather than some people rather than getting their product out on time, they didn’t get this stuff out on time, what do you call it, they knew that they that it was their own? So they would take their time with certain things? Or, you know, I mean, it would they wouldn’t promote, you know, then what do you call it, you know, I would I would go out, I would utilize all my contacts and connections for certain people. And, and, you know, again, there’s mistakes made everywhere, again, you learn from them, and you change it up, but I had set people up on on full when you call it, I’m sorry, media trails. So they would be they would do, you know, interviews every single day to promote their product. And then after they did that, there were certain people that after they did that, they would then go and pull their book. And now go, you know, republish it somewhere else, or utilize, you know, try to utilize my printer and go around me, you know what I mean? So, there’s jackasses in every industry, but what do you call it, but again, you live you learn, you change things up, but that was my biggest thing is I don’t want people to lose their IP, I want them to be comfortable and just be able to create and be able to put out their best products. Um, and I did and I helped a lot of people out there. So my artists, you know, Sajjad Shah who I he was not it was unknown. I found him on DeviantArt and, you know, I pitched him and I was like, Look, this is what I’m doing. You want to get behind it. I’m going to give you a percentage of the company. He’s like, Okay, and then he got everything and then some we call it his you know work is world renowned at this point is you know, he does work now for Marvel DC. He’s done the Ninja Turtles, he’s that you know what I mean? He’s got hovers, you know, so and he has a couple other books that he that he works on now. So you literally find them on Divi and I found them on DeviantArt he was very talented. And if he didn’t do the work and didn’t put in the work, he wouldn’t have made it but he you know, but I was able to get them in front of the people, you know, and that was the key. So sometimes people, you know, you got to understand that there is, you know, it’s, it’s good to get into bed with the right people, you know, I mean, don’t get into bed with the wrong people, because you know, you don’t know what kind of diseases they have. But at the end of the day, you know, when you’re when you’re getting in bed with anybody, if somebody has a good offer, do the research, look them up, Google them, find out what they’re about, find out what they’re doing, the proof is in the proverbial pudding, find out if they have a website, it’s easier now than it was back then. You know, what I mean? To find out who you’re working with, and all the people that I promised, I said, Look, I can’t pay you up front for this, I’m not going to this is not what what I’m gonna be able to do. But I can promise you, this is what we’re going to have, you’re going to be at the, at all the conventions, you’re going to be meeting people, you’re going to have, you know, an influx of, of interviews of media time, FaceTime. And the funny thing is, is a lot of creatives, they hear the, you know, alright, well, I’ll get you exposure, and they’re like, I don’t work for exposure, that doesn’t pay the bills. And I get it. And I appreciate that, because I am the same way. You know, I mean, to a certain extent, I also know that sometimes you got to do freebies, in order to make things happen, you know what I mean? Or if or because it’s the right thing to do, and what do you call it, and I don’t consider it a freebie. I figure what what comes out of this? What, what am I going to get out of doing X, Y or Z, I got to do with this appearance? Why am I doing this appearance of not getting paid? If I’m not getting paid for it, you know, and, you know, there’s there’s many different, you know, variations of that, you know, but for this, I promised them I said, I’m gonna have the comics gonna come out, we’re gonna have this, we’re gonna do that we’re gonna, you know, it’s gonna be an X, Y, and Z. If it’s not there, I’ll make it short somewhere else. And, and then from there, we’re gonna do the kids books, we’re gonna do this, and you are still gonna get a percentage of everything that comes after all the merchandise, all the everything. And I was mad at my work. So what do you call it? Everybody is, you know, not a bad Not one bad thing to say from my team, you know what I mean? You know, everybody absolutely appreciated, you know, the fact that I gave them legs. And, you know, again, but they worked for it. So, you know, that being said, I took it I then built out deals with you know, with esport backpacks, you know what I mean? And you know, for backpacks that you know, we put them out in in Walmart’s you know, worldwide and you know what I mean? And different different products here and there, you name it, we’ve done it. And that’s simply because, you know, you have to continuously build out and merge your merchandise. And again, I learned that from back in the day, I learned that from wrestling. So

Tim Kubiak 42:39
yeah, it’s interesting. You keep getting drawn back to recap. Yeah, yeah, I’m full. I’m cool with it. I’m not working in it. I’m alright.

Unknown Speaker 42:50
You know,

Tim Kubiak 42:51
there are how many 1000s of people out there that are going to kill to get into retail once and you keep finding a way back in it’s beautiful actually.

The Real Brimstone 42:59
Yeah, no, it’s it’s fantastic. Now like I have a you know, so back so so the way it ties in just to give you an idea, you know, so in the comic book, people understand it’s just a gimmick. It’s a story I’m Jewish, we don’t believe in now. But brimstone of Bora hounds is based in hell. And but hell is different Hell is not LSU believe it to be hell is actually a corporation vying for the hottest commodity which is the soul because all the different all the different areas of afterlife you know heaven hell Valhalla. You know all this stuff. You know, this is they’re all competing corporations. So they’re vying for the hottest commodity which is the soul because energy when you die, never you know it continues it never it never goes away energy lives on. So you know, where does that energy go boom into the different corporations to live out the rest of your existence. So so hell is is what he call it. The in the wasteland of hell. brimstone, his crew of border towns. Basically they go and hang out at this place of this big Bar and Grill in the middle of the wasteland called heaven completely stairway Get it? Good. See, when I speak to the younger kids, they don’t understand what I’m talking about. I’m like, Cobalts, you know they don’t come on really seriously, but a good I’m glad you got that one.

Tim Kubiak 44:15
So my oldest daughter’s middle name is Paige

The Real Brimstone 44:17
there we go Jerry go right. So that being said, What do you call it inside the Bar and Grill you know all the characters they eat you know sweet heat treat wings and Grindhouse burgers and live that flavor behavior. You know what I mean? grub munchies, this, that and the next thing, well, all of those products, all of those items are all also available in real life. So what do you call it? So I’m marketing to the to the readers, you know, saying hey, at the end of the day, if you’re really interested in sweet a dream, you’re interested in this that the next thing, you can actually get that in real life, and the people that have no idea about the comic book, now can find out that that product is actually selling From the comic book, so there’s a tie in and it goes both ways. So you know, so I started marketing stuff there and my candy line like I said, grub, munchies, and wasteland sand. All that stuff is a real product. You know, and the reason why I did this was one because I wanted to start getting, because I had to make things make sense. And I’ll explain that when I was on tour with with, you know, pushing the comics and pushing the kids books and, you know, building the animated series and all that jazz. I said to my director of operations at the time, who’s still very good friends with me a ton Wish I said a time man, if I’m going back on the road again, I you know, I never saw anything loads out there. I was always stuck in planes, trains, automobiles, the you know, inside the hotel rooms or, or arenas or whatever. I want to see where I’m going to be. He’s like, well, brim, what do you want to do? I go, Well, I liked he goes, Yeah, we know that. I said, Shut up a time. And then it got that. I said to my go, Well, I’d like i like i like to talk. He’s like, Well, we know that too. I said, Yeah, thanks a lot, a ton. I appreciate it. And I was like, let’s do something in the foodie worlds. And at the time, it was there was no food shows. They weren’t like, exuding from YouTube and social media like they are now. So we had had, we started food hound tidbits while we were touring. I had my my cast of characters, which were the guys that and gals that were with me on the road. So it’s my crew and we go in we started TV series. Well, an Internet TV series, the three seasons that we did, what do you call it? food down tidbits. So that was a new IP a new business and what do you call it, we what’s the most natural progression for you know, doing something in the food industry, having your products having your own brand so when he called so I did. That’s how I got my own brand. And that’s another whole story altogether how I started that But since then, you know I have my own chocolate bars. We call it I have my own window I have my own candy I my own. We call it coffee line. And my sauces. I have two brand new sauces coming back as coming out shortly. We’re just finishing up deciding what I’m going to name them fresh, fresh and new. I just finished them about three weeks ago at this point. So they’ll be out with torchbearer sauces very shortly and then into the world. But I also have my old favorites from back when so I’m bringing back my sweet e treat which is a huge fan favorite. And we call it that we’ll be back out on shelves very shortly. That’s like a big time award winner. And I’m also bringing back the seasonings because a lot of people miss the seasonings and I took a break from that because my original co Packer was like the godfather of hot sauce Kay John’s johnhart awesome guy. The only reason why we stopped working with each other was because he was selling his his business is getting older he wants to be in the business but he’s What didn’t want to run the business don’t want to be in the business doesn’t want to be in the he is legit. If you look them up john Hart, gay John’s. He is the godfather of hot sauce and we call it he wound up selling to a distributor and then I was like alright, well I gotta figure out who I want to go back with. And eventually I finally came back to friends of mine from that industry that I met through Kay john torchbearer sauces. And we just released really, we released in I’m sorry, we just released in October of this past year, my new sauce which is the torch stone tie, and it has become one of the top sellers in their entire company. So what do you call it in the course of six months of being out? We were in the top four most popular sauces that the company was selling. So you know we did good we did good.

Tim Kubiak 48:42
did good. You build on your own brand again?

The Real Brimstone 48:44
Yeah, yeah, but you see what I’m saying? Like everything is intertwined. Now you also heard me say you know Grindhouse seasoning Grindhouse burgers, now what do I do the Grindhouse radio? So that’s all spun right in and in. In the comics, what do you call it, we have wh gll which is which is run by one of the characters Chavez row which is a Jamaican disc jockey for for the underworld, but um, it’s, it’s a, it’s a real fun, it’s Listen, read some of the board rounds book, it’s a fun read. It’s not as nothing to do with hell as you would think it is all you know, there’s a lot of business in there. There’s a lot of comedy in there, it is a very different way of thinking of that, you know, I mean, so people will want to freak out trust me, if that’s it’s not, it’s not what you think, is a lot of fun. And that being said, What do you call it? You know, that all spun around into like, you know, I love I love media, I was always I’ve always done a ton of interviews to this day, I still do anywhere between two to four interviews a day at minimum, you know, like, what do you call once we get off I have somebody else, you know, and and, and that’s part of regular practice, one to keep up my jobs because when I’m on the road, I like to be able to when I’m dealing with the You know, NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, you know, all that, I like to be able to have a conversation and at least be able to keep that conversation going without having the marbles in the mouth. So that’s one thing, too when we say earlier in our conversation, which is a very big takeaway is relationships are everything. So I’m now networking with you, Tim, you know, and now we’re friends. And now you don’t know, you know, what’s going to happen with us moving forward, maybe we do something together, you know, the network branches out, you know what I mean? Absolutely. The networking is a huge, huge thing for me. And media is, is, you know, it’s that’s life. Everybody. Everybody watches, TV, listens to the radio does something uses a computer uses their phone, you know, God, we have phones, computers in our hands at every given moment. So that being said, I’ve always loved to do these interviews. I was like, You know what, I want to open up I want to do I want to do a show, you know, so, eye contact, same as I did with all of the other stuff. I contacted the radio, you know, the radio stations, you’re all the terrestrial radio stations. And they all know me. I’ve worked with them for years, I’ve done interviews, I’ve done events for them. And I said, Look, I’d like to start a show. Tim, I heard crickets, crickets. Nothing. I was like, Okay, no problem. So I was like, Alright, let me see. And I started sort of looking into some internet radio and the characters that I was dealing with there. I was, like, maybe it’s not the right time, maybe that’s not the right move. And then I wound up, you know, for hound. I had a couple of new interns that came in, and these interns, they had a history in radio, they one they went to, you know, CSP for broadcasting, and another one went to Farmingdale college and helped to rebuild the terrestrial radio station there. So you know, I was like, you know, the young we get along real well, we have great banter in the office and said, Would you guys think of maybe, you know, starting to show together? All right, well, why not? Well, we had to lose. So after hours, one day, we sat with a microphone and you know, just loosely in the center of a, what do you call it a desk. And after I was in the headquarters, which also had a retail part, which was up front, and we were on, we were on a very main busy road here on the island, etc, bike, and so you hear the cars whizzing back and forth outside and no soundproofing. Because it was first time we were doing it. And now we’re hour later, Tim, it was magic. We were like, We have something here. And, you know, because they were younger. And I was also familiar with podcasting, because I, I’ve been very good with podcasters come in and say, Hey, can we interview? Well? Yeah, sure. Where are you from? Where do we do a podcast? Let’s podcast? Sure, no problem. And I was one of the earlier welcomers of, you know, being guests on pod being a guest on a podcast. So even though at the time, a lot of them, they would either come out or they didn’t come out, or you know what I mean? So it’s like, you know, so that’s why a lot of people didn’t want to do it, because it wasn’t like a steady thing where you knew all right, well, I’m gonna be on both sides of business. They have a track record. I’m gonna I know what’s coming out.

But yeah, so anyway, so long story longer, they would call they said, you know, rather than do an internet radio, why don’t we do a podcast? And I was like, sounds good. So Brian house radio was born, I’d already have the IP I did it, right? As radio was born, why Grindhouse? Because we’re always on the grind, you’re always working hard, you’re always doing what you got to do. Now, they had the opportunity to be on the road with me and do red carpets with me in you know, while I was doing the brimstone thing and the Hound thing, and they’ve been on the road, so they now know how to act around, you know, celebrities and know how to act around media and so forth. And what do you call it? You know, eventually, you know, now my two introns became my partners, and what do you call it? And now the Grindhouse radio was born, you know, it was time. What do you call it? We went from the one hour format to a two hour format, about maybe eight months to a year in because I Heart Radio came to us. This was before I heart was allowing submissions, you know, like, we play our games us. What do you call it? So that’s what we got. We went on to IR. And then we’ve we’ve been syndicated on well over 30 networks since and we’re doing between three and a half to 4 million listeners weekly, worldwide. And now the takeaway from this is that if you want to get it done, you’ll get it done. And all those terrestrial radio stations that did not contact me back, and all I heard was crickets. From 2017 to 2020. Every year, we won my plaques on the wall, best radio station on Long Island for four years in a row. Okay, we beat every one of the terrestrial radio stations, hook line and sinker. You’re done. Thank you very much. We’re making six figures here. You know what I mean? And you know, and we’re doing quite well, even through the pandemic, thank God. You know, but we work hard and we deserve that and, you know, and Keep in mind, we’re a two hour, the main shows a two hour show once a week. Okay, so when you’re talking about that do your 24 seven terrestrial radio, and we’re, we’re taking those, you need to do some homework. So you know, the fact is, is a should have had us on? Yeah,

Tim Kubiak 55:18
exactly right you they couldn’t they couldn’t love the syndication instead they missed out.

The Real Brimstone 55:23
And what’s crazy is that you know, a lot of a lot of now we’re talking a lot of different am FM stations that want to do us utilize this for your, like morning shows on terrestrial radio, but we have to decide whether we want to take that step again back into, because then then we have to be a little bit different about how we do certain things. We’re very, you know, stringent on how we how we do the show, it’s a very special sauce that we don’t change the recipe up for. But, you know, at the end of the day, there is there are some opportunities, so we might do a little bit, but we have to see how it’s gonna affect the overall product. And if it’s going to affect the product, we’re just not going to do it, because we’re already in a very good place. So yeah, yeah. What do you call it? That was that’s, you know, my career in a nutshell. Great journey, actually. Yeah. And I mean, that’s just, you know, little bits and pieces. There’s a lot more that goes into that, you know, but at least at least, you know, you have the general overview, you know,

Tim Kubiak 56:18
you built it on your terms, right. And I think that’s one of the main takeaways that people need to get from this whole conversation is, you didn’t let people pigeonhole you. You figured it out, you treated it as a business all along. And frankly, you completely have done it on your terms. And there was an evolution there are stepping away from others to do that. Yeah.

The Real Brimstone 56:38
And it’s difficult, it’s difficult. And I understand people, if you’re listening, I want you to hear me hear my voice, is difficult to take that jump, it’s very hard to say, I’m going to leave the security of a nine to five life and build out my own business. But when I tell you, that is the most free you will ever feel. You need to take the chance, take that jump, you know, do things on your own terms, you will succeed, I promise you that and take failure as a badge of honor. That’s it and the story. And you know, and, you know, if I leave anybody with anything, I want to make sure that you know that they understand that if they if they dream it, they can be it. You know, I mean, that’s it. So true. It’s so true. People are very scared. They’re scared, especially now too, you know, but one thing that was was awful, you know, we had the pandemic is awful, I had COVID, it was awful. But one of the positive things that came out of it was so many people actually jumped into doing creative projects that they would never have had the time to start or do prior. You know what I mean? And I think that is beautiful. You know, I mean, they started businesses, they had, you know, I mean, there was the time of need, people jumped another thing that I if if we do have a minute, I’d love to say it’s up to you what another thing that is very important to me, that I’d like to ask everybody to do. Whether you love me or hate me, it doesn’t make a difference. The fact is, is what I’d like to ask everybody to do is find something that you’re passionate about in terms of a charity, find something whether it’s a cancer, charity, a charity for cancer candlelighters for the kids, you know, any mean? You know, arthritis, you know, muscular dystrophy, whatever it is, find something that that you’re passionate about, and take an hour, you don’t have to pay money, don’t donate money, you can if you want, but you don’t have to donate money, donate an hour of your time, two hours at a time, you know, once a week, once every other week, once a month, once a year, you don’t understand how wonderful that is, for the people that are in need of that help. What do you call it and again, we need more good people in this world, people that want to give back people that want to pay it forward and show that they care. There’s too much division in the world, too much hate in this world, we want to all we need to come together. And there are a lot of people out there especially now coming out of what we’re we’ve just come out of that are hurting, they really need our help. And, you know, like, I in my my position, I make sure you know, I’ve done stuff. I’ve refilled food bags, personally, I’ve done it with Grindhouse enough that we’ve gotten awards from senators and you know what I mean? Like, yeah, so so I, I practice what I preach is what I’m trying to get at and I’m not looking for a pat I’m looking for, hey, okay, this guy’s this guy’s legit. I’m unapologetically authentic, and I’m telling you how it is. We need people to be better to one another, be good, be good to another unit. We don’t we don’t get anything out of anger out of hate out of being, you know, disgusting to one another. But we do earn a lot when we do something good. That’s a value. You know, you would never know how good it makes somebody feel when people show up for to support a charity that they that they rely on and you’re going to feel good yourself because you’re doing the Right Thing. Yeah. So that’s what I want to leave people with. And I hope I hope I wasn’t Adeline

Tim Kubiak 1:00:04
Not at all, but that was a great way to bring it all together because it really is. You know, you do what you do, but you have to have something more. have to you have to. So that’s that’s about it. That’s about it. You know, I could go on for long. I just don’t know what you know what you’re trying to do today. I’m gonna have to run but this has been great. I am happy. Anytime you want, man.

The Real Brimstone 1:00:25
Absolutely. Yeah, man. Listen, everybody. Thank you so much, Tim. You’ve been an honor. It’s an honor privilege working with you and having fun. And you know, if anybody wants to check me out, the real brimstone calm is my official website. I’m very active. on my Instagram at the real brimstone. It’s verified, you know, it’s me. I respond to everybody. It’s not my wife. It’s not my intern. It’s not my assistant. It is me. I’m the one responding. I am always well, it’s Welcome. I’m welcoming. Please, you know, write to me engage on the posts, you know, talk to me. I would love to hear from you. And you know, hey, look, let’s be friends. I’m always out to make new friends and acquaintances. So thanks again for having me, Tim. It’s been it’s been a privilege.

Tim Kubiak 1:01:07
Yeah. Thank you for the time.

Tim Kubiak is a Business Geek, Nomad, Aging Metal Head, Nerd, & Coffee Addict. Plus the only big guy at Hot Yoga. For over 25 years he's been building high-performance sales teams globally. With over 2 billion in lifetime sales in goods and services. Tim works as a coach mentor with Founders, Business Owners, Executives, and High Performing individuals to transform companies, bring new solutions to market and achieve their professional goals.

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